SPEAKER_01: 0:00

Hi, I'm Shelly Maurer. And I'm Cher Emrick. Welcome to Life Lessons from Pickleball, where we engage with pickleball players from around the world about life on and off the court. Thanks for joining us. Welcome to Life Lessons from Pickleball and how fun it is for us to have with us Indigo Dagnall. He goes by Indy, so that's how we're referring to him today, but we're just thrilled. And Indy, you're a 14-year-old. You've been playing pickleball for two years, all of two years, my dear, and you're already a 5.0 level player, and you're being sponsored by Gearbox Pickleball and SoCal Pickleball Club. Wow, wow, wow. That's all I can say. So let's start by telling us, how did you get into pickleball?

SPEAKER_00: 0:53

My grandparents actually taught my dad, who ended up teaching me, But it really started, my mom, when she was 16 back in 1990, she worked as a campus, a recreational director, and she was responsible for putting on pickleball tournaments sometimes. And she had the really old wooden rackets. They looked a little bit like this.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17

Oh, my gosh. I've never even seen one of those. That is so cool.

SPEAKER_00: 1:21

Yeah. So my parents both had deep roots in pickleball, and they both taught it to me. So now my whole family plays, and it's amazing.

SPEAKER_01: 1:30

Oh, my gosh. Now you don't play with that paddle.

SPEAKER_00: 1:33

No, I do not. It's actually surprisingly good.

SPEAKER_01: 1:37

Well, it's really big, so that would be better for me. I wouldn't miss as many balls. So did you grow up watching your parents play, and then you just started playing at 12, or how did that

SPEAKER_00: 1:52

go? Well, I was about 10 when my parents really like started going out every couple of days and playing. But really over COVID, when all my school sports, I played basketball my whole life. When that was shut down, I was like, I would go onto the courts and read my book and watch my parents play. But eventually I started like, you know, Indy, come in and play some games. And I started playing with my group and That's just how I started. I just started playing with this older group, a lot of retired people, and they really brought me to loving the game.

SPEAKER_01: 2:24

Wow. And so, yeah, go ahead, Sean. I was just going to say basketball. So that's why you're so fast on the pickleball court,

SPEAKER_00: 2:32

right? Yeah, basketball is amazing, yes.

SPEAKER_01: 2:35

You're still playing basketball?

SPEAKER_00: 2:37

No, this is my first year not playing. I decided not to play for the school this year.

SPEAKER_01: 2:42

And how hard was that decision?

SPEAKER_00: 2:44

Not too hard because pickleball was a great alternative. And I love pickleball way more than I ever loved basketball.

SPEAKER_01: 2:53

That is so cool. That is so cool. What do you love so much about pickleball?

SPEAKER_00: 3:00

It's kind of like golf because you can just have one great shot and it'll keep bringing you back day after day.

SPEAKER_01: 3:05

That's a great analogy. It's so true,

SPEAKER_00: 3:10

right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 3:11

That is so true. I hadn't really thought of that. But yeah, and usually there's at least one good shot in the day.

SPEAKER_00: 3:20

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 3:23

So when did you get serious about it?

SPEAKER_00: 3:27

Probably a year and a half ago. I'm like, okay, there's a chance I can go professionally or go very far in this sport. I'm only 13 years old. So that's when I really like, I can get serious with this. And about a year ago, we moved to Temecula where we live now. And it's just a bigger city than I grew up in. And there's so many more opportunities for playing and just everything in here. I grew up in a town where there was only 4,000 people and only about 20 people played pickleball. So same people over and over that you get used to.

SPEAKER_01: 4:01

And where was that? What was the name of your town?

SPEAKER_00: 4:04

Idlewild. Oh,

SPEAKER_01: 4:05

Idlewild. Yeah. So who do you train with? Do you have a coach?

SPEAKER_00: 4:09

Yes, I actually have four coaches that I kind of rotate between. I have Steve Dawson, who is the well-known father of Callan and senior pro himself. He is very good and very tactical. You know, he can point out the smallest mistakes in you. And next to him, I have Austin Saviam. Right now, he is Conor Garnett's coach. And so he is just incredible, incredible to play and be on the court with. And I also have Aaron Coyle, who is my main coach. He's very local. And he actually played on the pro tour himself a long time ago, but still a very good player, also known as the magic man. Yeah. So do

SPEAKER_01: 4:54

you have these different coaches because they each have a different specialty? Why do you have four coaches?

SPEAKER_00: 5:00

Yes, I've had a few lessons with each of them, and it's always good to rotate between different points of view so they can pick out different things, weaknesses, and that's just better. A different set of eyes is always better than the same old set.

SPEAKER_01: 5:15

What is your drilling schedule versus playing? What does that look like?

SPEAKER_00: 5:19

I probably drill four times a week compared to one day of rec playing. Oh. So definitely way more drilling, and coaching is about... about every week, you know, once every week, once every two weeks, depending on when we can schedule it. But yes, drilling is the most important thing to me.

SPEAKER_01: 5:36

And how long do you drill at a time?

SPEAKER_00: 5:39

Usually two hour sessions.

SPEAKER_01: 5:41

Two hours of drilling?

SPEAKER_00: 5:44

Yeah, pretty much four to five days a week at somebody's house, private court, or, you know, Sunday nights, maybe we'll get lucky and we'll go to the, you know, the local courts where there's nobody playing. But Yeah, usually it's a private court.

SPEAKER_01: 5:59

Because usually people are playing on the public courts. So what's it like for you now? Let's see. Are you playing only with people your age?

SPEAKER_00: 6:10

I would be very lucky if I could. No, I really only have a few friends that I get to play with every so often that don't live next to me. So I like 90%, probably more than that. I play all adults.

SPEAKER_01: 6:26

And so you're a 5.0 in the adult level.

SPEAKER_00: 6:30

Yes. I actually have never played a junior PPA event. My first one is San Clemente, though, and I'm very excited for that.

SPEAKER_01: 6:39

When does that come up?

SPEAKER_00: 6:41

The end of June. So I'm playing six events, six days in a row, and I've never done it before. Wow. So June 25th all the way to June 30th.

SPEAKER_01: 6:53

So this will come out after that so people can look and see how you've done and we're going to be watching. Yeah, for sure. So when did you do your first tournament?

SPEAKER_00: 7:07

Oh, that was probably about a year and a half ago. It was it was only singles and it was round robin and it was 3-0 and I went 0-2 and I lost to two people who, you know, You know, it wasn't the best showing, but that was the first tournament, and I've gotten a lot better since then.

SPEAKER_01: 7:28

Yeah, I think so. Here's a question for somebody who is 15 and a 5.0 player. What's it like when you don't do well? I mean, because you're used to doing really well right now, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 7:44

For me, I usually go in slopes where I could have, like, Because when you go from 4.0 to 4.5 and 4.5 and higher, it's like when you go to the next level, it's just so hard to even get on the podium or medal at all. So you just got to tell yourself when you're going in, like, I've only played a few 5.0 singles, 5.0 doubles. But every time you go up, you just got to have no expectations. Even if you've won 4.5, when you play 5.0, it's a whole different beast. So you just got to have no expectations. And it's really hard to do. But it takes getting mad at yourself a lot to be stronger. So that's what I believe.

SPEAKER_01: 8:22

So I am interested because a lot of the pro athletes, some of them have a hard time managing their emotions. And that kind of gets in the way. And how are you on the court emotionally when you're up or down?

SPEAKER_00: 8:37

So usually I'm very level-headed. So I don't show too much emotion. I don't get down on myself very rarely. So, you know, it's very hard to pull yourself out of a slump when you're in one, especially, you know, you're in a game. It's very important and you're losing and it's, you know, you're in your head. It's all your fault. And those are all things you can tell yourself. It's just like, it's not helping you. That's all you got to tell yourself. And it's really hard to do that sometimes. So you just keep doing it until you get it.

SPEAKER_01: 9:05

That's good advice. So I watched one of your videos. Your dad actually was filming it. It was from last year, a tournament in Palm Springs, I believe. Oh, yeah. You got gold. Once in a while, you would turn around to your partner. I think his name was Ed.

SPEAKER_00: 9:23

Yeah, that was my coach at the time.

SPEAKER_01: 9:26

Oh, he was your coach. So you would hold up your paddle, and your other hand would be behind the paddle where the opponent couldn't see, but your Ed could see it. Were you giving him signals, or were you just saying, hey?

SPEAKER_00: 9:39

Yes, that's hand signals, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 9:41

oh what what were you doing hand signals what's that

SPEAKER_00: 9:44

um so if you're on defense and you're getting served to the person who's at the kitchen line your teammate or you should signal to the person on the line this means stay so like just play as normal

SPEAKER_01: 9:57

so you're making a fist for those who don't see the video they're just listening you're making a fist against your paddle and that means stay

SPEAKER_00: 10:04

That means stay. And an open face, so just an open hand, means you switch. So after your partner hits the return, he runs to your spot and you slide over. So it's great for confusing the other team and just say you have a weak partner or you're the weak partner, then they can't really pick on you if you switch right before the play.

SPEAKER_01: 10:23

Oh, that is really clear. I've never known about that. I've seen people stack where they wait back with the server, you know, and then they'll switch sides. And I did notice that you guys sometimes were on one side of the court, sometimes on the other, but I hadn't realized that was all intentional and well-planned. Good for

SPEAKER_00: 10:38

you. Yeah, and definitely stacking is another reason for that. You want to get the dominant player on the left side.

SPEAKER_01: 10:44

That's fantastic.

SPEAKER_00: 10:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 10:47

So the dominant player should always be on the left side because you want them to have their forehand?

SPEAKER_00: 10:53

yeah so they can take the middle and their own line so the the not the dominant player can be on the right side where all they have to cover is their forehand i mean if like ben johns and colin johns that's the extreme so like ben takes everything in the middle and colin just has to watch you know straight on and down his line

SPEAKER_01: 11:13

yeah

SPEAKER_00: 11:14

so yeah i mean if you're the dominant player then you just have to watch your backhand and the middle which is definitely harder but You know, that's a sacrifice you make.

SPEAKER_01: 11:23

For being dominant, yeah. What are some of the surprises as you've gotten better and better in pickleball? What are some of the surprises that have come up?

SPEAKER_00: 11:35

Definitely sponsorships is one of them. Because, you know, the better you get, the more people look at your way. But for youth, if you're looking for a sponsorship, I think the best thing is just apply for it. Just go for it. Because most companies right now are definitely looking for more youth, any level. So it's just, that's a very good, like, you know, kind of validation thing. Like, oh, and now I don't have to pay for all my paddles. And that's a great thing for me.

SPEAKER_01: 12:02

Yeah, indeed. So that's really good advice. So how do you apply for a sponsor? How do these young people apply?

SPEAKER_00: 12:09

Most of them have websites. You just, you know, just look up, you know, Gearbox, Eula, all those companies, selkirk.com. And then there's always a page for applications, sponsorships. So any kids looking to be sponsored, that's definitely the best way to do it.

SPEAKER_01: 12:26

Well, I think that's awesome that you've shared that because I think there are a lot of people who are going to jump right on that now.

SPEAKER_00: 12:32

Yep, definitely.

SPEAKER_01: 12:35

What is it like being one of the youngest players at your level?

SPEAKER_00: 12:41

I think that I get underestimated because people just think I'm a kid. I think, but I don't know. I'm also, I'm also tall. So, you know, I don't know. I just have to look at it from my own eyes. So usually like I'm always playing adults and I've just grown and like, I'm not scared of that anymore. So that doesn't affect me. So I just got to keep myself level-headed who I'm playing because some juniors are extremely good. So it doesn't matter who you are. You can be very good.

SPEAKER_01: 13:11

Yeah. Well, and that's kind of to your advantage, right? If they're not taking you serious, you show up and you beat them. Well, how has it been managing the schedule with the training and everything with school?

SPEAKER_00: 13:33

Well, school is actually easier than the summer because school, it was like I would plan my day. Maybe I'd plan the whole week in advance. I'm like, Monday, I'm drilling here. Tuesday, I have this game. But kind of over the summer, all the plans fall apart because people, all the adults I play with, they have families and jobs and they're doing their own thing. But all of a sudden, I have all this extra time on my hands. So I'm reaching out to people left and right like, can we drill? Can we get a game? And everyone's like, no, I'm working. That's the struggle of doing it over the summer, definitely.

SPEAKER_01: 14:04

That's a good point. You mentioned that this is your first summer day from school. So we feel really privileged that you're with us today instead of just sleeping. Was it hard to organize your schoolwork and your pickleball?

SPEAKER_00: 14:20

I'm really a fast worker. I get a lot of my work done during school time, though I rarely have homework to do at home, which I'm very thankful for because if I had constant homework, then my pickleball life would definitely be interrupted. So I'm

SPEAKER_01: 14:36

lucky. And you maintain a 4.0 grade average, right?

SPEAKER_00: 14:40

Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 14:42

Dude. 4.0? Great. It's 5.0 pickleball. What's your 6.0? That's next.

SPEAKER_00: 14:47

That's next.

SPEAKER_01: 14:50

That's next. Yes. Speaking of next, what are your hopes and dreams?

SPEAKER_00: 14:57

I aspire to play professionally in this sport. I'm just going to keep working until I get there.

SPEAKER_01: 15:03

Once you are pro, how do you manage school and being a pro, or do they always work around school schedules?

SPEAKER_00: 15:11

Um, I, I don't know. I, I don't know about that yet, but hopefully I'm, I'm trying to go pro as fast as possible and, you know, grind as hard as I can. So, I mean, if it comes to it, are my family's been talking about homeschooling or any ways to get more time to play, but you know, there's trade-offs. So we'll just have to find out, you know, nobody's got the journey down yet.

SPEAKER_01: 15:34

Right. Water's is the pioneer.

SPEAKER_00: 15:36

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 15:39

You can ask her, okay, how do I do this? So what is your goal then? How soon? Do you have a timeline in mind?

SPEAKER_00: 15:48

Well, I would hope in the next maybe two to three years, hopefully, maybe like it'd be a Gabriel Tardio, be him.

SPEAKER_01: 15:59

What are your strengths when you're on the court? What are your strengths?

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Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 16:04

I am very good at resetting and getting into a long dink battle. My first coach, Ed, taught me very soft. He taught me how to dink and everything. We just dinked all day long. We dinked hours on end. And that's how I really narrowed down my soft game. And right now I play with the Gearbox Pro Power, which is a very powerful paddle. So trying to dink with that was hard in the beginning. But I've narrowed it down after a few months. So definitely... I'm a very soft player and I go from soft into speed ups. Like my speed ups, I pride myself. I love doing them. So that'll be definitely one of my strengths, dinking and speed ups.

SPEAKER_01: 16:46

Dinking is the key. I'm still at that level where we play baby tennis instead of really. It's hard and fast and we love it, but we're not really playing pickleball yet because we're not dinking that much. So for people out there that really are wanting to become better pickleball players, what is your advice? I

SPEAKER_00: 17:10

would definitely say try and drill. Drilling is the best and fastest way to get better. you'll see the results in your gameplay. Less mistakes, you won't make dumb decisions as much. I definitely learned that. But yeah, drilling is the best way, definitely.

SPEAKER_01: 17:30

Yeah, that's good advice. It's not as much fun, but- It's definitely not

SPEAKER_00: 17:34

fun.

SPEAKER_01: 17:37

So you mentioned who's kind of influencing you on the court, but how about just in life? Who would you say has been influential in your life?

SPEAKER_00: 17:46

All my grandma, my grandpa, and definitely my parents. Yeah, my family is very supportive of my journey, and I'm very appreciative for them.

SPEAKER_01: 17:57

Your grandma and grandpa. Say more about that.

SPEAKER_00: 18:00

Whenever my parents are busy or they can't make it to my tournaments, they are always trying to show up and support me. Tournaments are definitely something they always come to, and I love having them there cheering me on.

SPEAKER_01: 18:14

So do they live near you now?

SPEAKER_00: 18:16

No, they live about an hour away, but they can drive to all the tournaments that I go to. Oh,

SPEAKER_01: 18:21

that's brilliant. Yeah, it makes so much difference, right? To have people who love you and support you no matter what and to be there.

SPEAKER_00: 18:29

Yeah, they don't care if you lose or not, but they're just there to watch you play. And that's the best part.

SPEAKER_01: 18:35

That is so cool. You've had 14 years on this planet, and I'm sure you've learned some life lessons from Either you've learned them in life and you've taken them to the court or you've learned them on the court and you're incorporating them into your life. Can you think of any?

SPEAKER_00: 18:52

Yeah, definitely. I think incorporating from my court is level-headedness. I pride myself in not getting angry over silly things like on the court. And that's definitely helped me in real life. And my grandma is an excellent role model for that. She definitely believes that you don't fight the battles that they're not worth fighting. So you stub your toe or a little thing that doesn't need to affect the rest of your day or anything past two minutes. So I try and let things go that just aren't worth keeping around.

SPEAKER_01: 19:29

That's great. Well, something has kept you, given you the ability to stay with it, right? When you started playing pickleball, you weren't a 5.0. I think

SPEAKER_00: 19:41

it's definitely the journey to being a pro. Like the fact of being a pro is so high up there that like I can only dream to be there. So I just want to work hard. I want to get there. So I'm just, that's my drive is to be a pro. My drive to play and drill in the heat, all things that suck, but it's worth it.

SPEAKER_01: 20:00

Actually, that's a good point because it's hard work. It's sometimes really uncomfortable. It's sometimes, I'm sure there are days when you're not feeling it, but you do it anyway. Is that true?

SPEAKER_00: 20:13

Yeah. Yeah. Like after school, I could have a slow day or it's rough, but I know I have a drilling session after school and I have to try. So, you know, I can be sad or tired when I get home, but I try not to bring that out onto the court with me.

SPEAKER_01: 20:29

Actually, that's a huge life lesson. I remember Oprah had a sign in her office or something that said, take responsibility for the energy you bring into this room. I'm paraphrasing. I'm not really sure that's what it means. But it's like, be responsible for your emotion wherever you go. And that's what you do when you go out on the court. You leave it at the door and you don't take it on the court, which is good in life, too, to be really clear wherever we are. that we're being responsible for whatever we're feeling. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 21:02

Especially for tournaments because in doubles, you know, you have to show up for yourself, but you also have to show up for your partner because he also paid the admission fee and you guys are playing together. So you can't let him down by something that happened to you yesterday or you didn't sleep very well. So you just got to try and show up for him if you can't do it for yourself.

SPEAKER_01: 21:20

Do you have just one doubles partner right now?

SPEAKER_00: 21:24

Um, No, we are trying to find others, but I don't really have a consistent partner right now. Are you doing mixed doubles? We try. Mixed doubles partners are definitely harder to find than men's doubles where I live. There's a lot of good men around here that are interested in playing tournaments, so that's a great thing for me. I'll name drop Brett Booker. He was an ex-coach of mine and now a great partner for me. Definitely a role model that I look up to, and he's been around the game for a while. He participated in the Pro Tour himself a long time ago and still is a very high-level player, and he's definitely somebody I look up to.

SPEAKER_01: 22:06

Indy, tell us, do you have any unique stories you'd like to share with us around pickleball?

SPEAKER_00: 22:13

Yes. In October of last year, I played Junior Nationals, which is a tournament that comes around a couple of times a year to Southern California, but it's all around, all around the year. So it's great. It's one of my favorite tournaments to play because of all the top talent they have there. So I was playing singles, and singles is the first day, and then it's doubles the next day. And then MLP style, four-man team, is the day after that. So it was Friday, the first day of the tournament. I pulled my hamstring on my left leg. It was hurting me like halfway through the day. So in the beginning it was a round robin and then the two highest scores moved on to the next round and stuff. So I actually had to beat my friends to get out of that and that was hard. So I pulled my hamstring right in the last game of the round robin and it was hurting me like crazy. I couldn't put a lot of pressure on it. So I had to sit for a while and I had to postpone my match for like an hour. So in that time, I just stretched and Theragun and everything I could. So when I was actually on the court, it was better. It was already starting to, you know, be a little better as healing. So I was in the semifinals. So there was four people left that hadn't been eliminated. And I had to beat my friend Shraman. And he's very good. So I had to play him. And after every point, I would have to bend down and stretch my hamstring in the middle of the point. So it was really tough combined with a good player and I was hurting and I did end up winning that match. So after that, I moved on to the gold medal match where I played my friend Andre and he ended up, I won game one and I was so unbelievably tired. I played about 20 games of singles that day and was pulling hamstrings left and right. So I won the first game and then in the second game, He started going on a run and I started, it was killing me. I couldn't put barely any weight on it. I stopped running for balls and I ended up forfeiting the rest, the third game after losing in game two. So I ended up getting second and there's a very cool photo of Andre. Shraman won his match and he got third. So me, Andre and Shraman were sitting on the podium, all sitting down because I couldn't stand up.

SPEAKER_01: 24:41

Oh, did they sit down for you?

SPEAKER_00: 24:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 24:43

Oh, that is so sweet. Oh, my gosh. Talk about perseverance.

SPEAKER_00: 24:50

Yeah. And that was only the first day of the tournament, so I still had doubles the next day. Oh. So the beginning of doubles was really bad. I lost the first games, and it was horrible, and I was hurting, and I was playing with a partner I had never met before, and I felt bad for him. And he was trying his best, but I was obviously bringing him down. So we had a bye and we had a break. And I was sitting down, you know, doing the same stuff, stretching. And apparently pickle juice is really good for healing or something, my mom told me. So I had to drink pickle juice and it was disgusting. But it might have helped me because after that, I was able to push through the rest of the day. And I had to... I had injury timeouts a lot. I had multiple like emergency 15 minutes where I had to sit out and stretch it. Oh my gosh. I know. So it was really rough. That was the worst day was doubles. So, I mean, I don't remember all the details, but it was definitely painful. Wow. And we ended up getting third in that tournament.

SPEAKER_01: 25:55

Wow. The fact that you even placed in any of these is just phenomenal. Yeah. And then he kept going with his injury. Wow.

SPEAKER_00: 26:05

Mm-hmm. And the best part after that was it felt so good the next morning. So the last day of the event was the four-man team. And it was me and my friends, Maddox, Isaac, and Tony. And we ended up winning that. And we started at, I think it was 10 a.m. in the morning. And we went all the way to 11. Our gold medal match was at 11 p.m. at night. in the freezing cold wind. It was horrible. Everyone was bundled up and everything. So it probably wasn't good for my hamstring. But at least I was healed enough to play. So we ended up winning that. And that was a great accomplishment. That whole weekend was a great show of perseverance for me.

SPEAKER_01: 26:44

Wow. For sure. And then what happened after that? How long did it take you to heal it?

SPEAKER_00: 26:51

A few weeks. I took off. I took off two weeks. And then I was ready to go after that.

SPEAKER_01: 26:56

Wow. That's just incredible that you persevered through all that. Wow.

SPEAKER_00: 27:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 27:03

Pickle juice. That's the key,

SPEAKER_00: 27:05

huh? Pickle juice is the key.

SPEAKER_01: 27:08

Well, that's really impressive. I'm glad that you weren't injured so much that you really had to stop for months, which we have a friend who tore her. So she's been out for several months and we're looking forward to her coming back. But yeah. Oh, that's impressive that you ended on that high note. I mean, the fact that you even placed for all the others is just remarkable. And then you end on the high note with the win. That's incredible. Thank you for sharing that story. It's very cool. You know, you mentioned your family being so loving and supportive. And so you grew up with really caring, a caring community in your home. And it sounds like you're bringing together around you really good people too. All these coaches that you've mentioned, the partners that you've been playing with, and you're kind of a magnet for the good, which is very cool that you're doing that in your pickleball as well as in life.

UNKNOWN: 28:08

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00: 28:08

I think I'm very lucky to have a family that is fully supportive because I definitely know there's people out there who don't have that. So I just try and appreciate what I have, which is very supportive parents who want to come to all my tournaments.

SPEAKER_01: 28:22

That's so nice. And drive you to all your practices and drilling lessons. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00: 28:28

Yeah. My dad refers to himself as the taxi cab.

SPEAKER_01: 28:32

Yeah. I hope you give good tips. Well, this has been really fun chatting with you. And we feel privileged to know you now because we know there are going to be times when we won't be able to reach you because you'll just be too busy and you'll be out on the tournaments and all that. But the other reason I'm really glad is that you have all these great people around you is as you do become a pro, that puts a whole nother level just in life. And it sounds like you have really secured yourself to be able to not only grow as a pickleball player, but also Also as a man and as a son and as a friend and maybe sooner than later as a father. So it's really cool that you are surrounded by people who are holding you up and going to help guide you through this whole journey. And we feel really lucky to know you.

SPEAKER_00: 29:28

Yeah. Thank you. And this is great being on this too. I love talking to you guys.

SPEAKER_01: 29:33

Yeah, it's going to be fun following your tournament at the end of the month. We'll be watching. We'll be

SPEAKER_00: 29:39

watching. Are you guys coming to watch it in person?

SPEAKER_01: 29:43

We won't be able to watch. Well, I won't be able to watch it in person. No, I wish I could. Yeah, that would be fun. Yeah, but I'm sure it'll be streamed, right?

SPEAKER_00: 29:53

Yes, my dad streams everything on his Facebook, which is just Bo Dagnall. So he streams all my matches onto there.

SPEAKER_01: 30:01

Do you have a website for you?

SPEAKER_00: 30:04

Yes, I have an Instagram and Facebook page. And where will

SPEAKER_01: 30:08

we find you?

SPEAKER_00: 30:08

It is PB Indigo on Instagram. Also PB Indy. So that is spelled I-N-D-Y or I-N-D-I-G-O. And on Facebook, it's Indigo Pickleball.

SPEAKER_01: 30:22

Brilliant. We'll be able to say we knew you when. That's right. And we're best friends. Oh, Indy, thank you so much. Really appreciate you taking the time and we're excited for you and your trajectory and following your heart. And thank you to your parents who helped put this together so that we could chat with you today. And thanks for everything.

SPEAKER_00: 30:52

Thank you guys. Thanks for having me on here.

SPEAKER_01: 30:54

Yeah, thank you. And thank you to everyone who's been listening and watching. We know, especially if you're a young'un or you have young'uns who are in pickleball, this was really helpful, especially in terms of finding sponsors. So go for it. And hope to see you all next week when we have another wonderful conversation. Bye bye. If you love our podcast, we'd be so grateful if you'd take a few seconds to follow or subscribe to Life Lessons from Pickleball. This ensures you'll never miss an episode and helps us continue these wonderful conversations. On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen, go to the show page and tap the follow button in the top right corner. And on YouTube, click the subscribe button under any of the episodes. Thanks so much. Hope to see you on the court.

UNKNOWN: 31:43

Thank you.