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Hi, I'm Shelly Maurer. And I'm Cher Emrick. Welcome to Life Lessons from Pickleball, where we engage with pickleball players from around the world about life on and off the court. Thanks for joining us. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Life Lessons from Pickleball. We are so delighted to have with us today Leanne Ely as our guest. Leanne, you are a New York Times bestselling author, and you're the creator of the original menu planning website, SavingDinner.com, which I love, online for now over 20 years. You've been on multi-city book tours, satellite media tours, QVC multiple times, as well as being a guest on several national television shows. You're a radio personality, and you've been featured in many national publications and so much more.

SPEAKER_01: 0:55

Leanne, you've also been a nutritionist since 1993, and you've encouraged all of us to live our most vibrant lives, heart, mind, body, and soul, or as you put it, in full bloom. Yes, ma'am. We know you are passionate about pickleball too, but before we start talking about pickleball, we know you have so much wisdom. What would you like to share with our audience? What would you like us to know about savingdinner.com and nutrition?

SPEAKER_00: 1:28

Well, it was born, the whole thing started back in 2001, if you can believe that. And it was just out of my frustration of seeing families neglect their family dinner tables. And I thought, well, you know, everybody's in a time crunch. What if I produced menus, recipes, and shopping lists? And I was kind of just, you know, putting together little cookbooks. And I had a small publisher that I was working with at the time. And as I did this, it just blew up and it became a great big thing. And so that's what I became known for. That's what I started doing. And I talked about, you know, when I was on speaking, I was talking about the importance of the family dinner table and how it really affects your kids. And I was doing this myself. My kids are now in their 30s, just to give you contrast on how many years ago that was. But it was an important part of our daily life. And I really believe it made a difference. And it did in a lot of other people's families as well. So what was the difference? Why is it so important? Well, it's interesting because there's a think tank that was, gosh, I haven't talked about this in so long, so I have to pull from the archives. But there was a think tank that was done in Washington, and they gathered information about how families fared when they had certain types of activities in their families. And one of the big things that stood out was the family dinner table because it made the children feel more connected. They were less likely to do drugs, do better in school, feel more connected to their family, less likely to be super rebellious and do wild and crazy things, etc. I mean, the odds are more in your favor just by having this one simple routine that you did every day.

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Isn't that fascinating?

SPEAKER_00: 3:22

It was very fascinating.

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Yes. And I actually experienced that. That end of the day, everybody getting together. It really does. It kind of puts a bookend at the end of the day and you're connected.

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So great. So great. I mean, I grew up like that. I bet you both, you both grew up like that. And then somewhere in between, you know, with all the kids activities, we lost that connection. And my whole thing was bringing it back. You know, Saving Dinner came from somebody who wrote me a beautiful testimonial saying, you know, you saved dinner in my household. And I went, oh, that's it. And so then that's how all the books got named Saving Dinner. That gave me chills. Wow, I got

SPEAKER_01: 4:06

chills right when you said that. I got chills too. That's how it started, but it evolved into so much more after that. One of the things that I read said to help women stop dieting and get off the carousel of crazy and the predatory diet culture so you can start feeling like yourself again. So where did that evolve from?

SPEAKER_00: 4:31

Well, um, you know, as a cereal dieter, you know, I grew up in a household where my mother was a cereal dieter. She was honest to God. She was a, well, you're from Southern California. Do you remember Gloria Marshall studios from way back when? Yes. Yes. My mother was their star and she did commercials with Alan Ludden. Okay. That was my mom back in the sixties, early seventies. And, you know, she did all this stuff. I was taught at an early age that, to be a compulsive dieter. And it kind of wrecked my relationship with food. I can't even tell you how many times I did Weight Watchers. I was a fat nutritionist. Been a nutritionist since 1993, but I battled my weight constantly. And the whole meaning of my life became what was between my toes first thing in the morning. Am I gonna have a good day or am I gonna have a bad day? That's gonna determine it. And all the things that I did and all the crazy that I did, it made me realize that what I needed to do was heal my relationship with food and start looking at food as information for my body. And also, I can still make it delicious and that I can be friends with food again. That was the big deal. And when I started to do that, I started to heal. And I started to bring this healing element to other women. I mean, I have a thing called the Hot Milk Sprint. It's free. I've been giving it away for 10 years now, almost 10 years. What is it? It's called the Hot Milk Sprint. And it's just showing how we can, once we understand how our body works, we have hunger hormones. in our bodies, like there's leptin and ghrelin and there's stretch hormones, receptors rather, in our stomachs, and they're all delivering these messages to our body. If we could start listening to that and stop listening to, the predatory diet culture and this timed eating and stuff and eating when we're hungry instead of just eating by habit. I always say snacking is food is mouth entertainment, you know, because what's the point? You know, it's not like we're not going to have another meal, right? Right. So just getting rid of some just dumb habits that, you know, the food culture and diet culture brought along. Like we have to have all these snacks and what have you. And it just, it put, it just puts perspective that we all need, that we need to be friendly with food. We need to stop peeing on sticks. We need to stop counting calories. We need to stop, stop, stop, stop being obsessed with food and instead learn to listen to our bodies and genuinely love ourselves enough that we're, we're going to listen to that intuition. We're going to, finally figure it out. That's what happened with me. And it's happened with a lot of women just by following, you know, the basic science of your body.

SPEAKER_02: 7:32

And how do you help women do that?

SPEAKER_00: 7:38

Well, I have this program. It's called the Hot Milk Sprint. And the Hot Milk Sprint is... a seven-day program to get rid of inflammation because the first thing you have to get rid of is inflammation. And a lot of times you'll hear people say, oh, it's just water weight. Well, what do you think water weight is? Water weight is inflammation. You know, your body reacts and gets inflamed, and that's where the water comes from. Not entirely, but a lot of times, especially with women, you know, in our age circle. Right, right. And we just, you know, getting rid of the sugar addiction and starting to understand what will make us feel better and having that as, you know, being our plumb line instead of going for comfort. You know, food isn't comfort. Food isn't a hub. Food isn't an I love you. Food is comfort. fuel for our bodies it's also information and it tells our bodies what to do next so if you're eating a whole bunch of sugar you're going to get a whole bunch of inflammation and you're going to get addicted you know and that goes with high amounts of you know starchy processed foods i mean all that stuff just it just doesn't do you any favors so the setup for my whole hot milk spread is like, well, we have to move a certain amount and that movement is going to help the metabolic function of your body. We have to lift a few weights because that's a metabolic organ, those muscles. We have to get proper amount of sleep, stop being night owls, that's just not gonna help you out. and hydrate correctly. And if we can put all of that in place and plus get friendlier with our food and love what it is that we're eating and understand that we don't need to, we're not like little cows, you know, we don't, we don't have a rumen where we have to chew our cud and then throw it up again. And we don't do that. Thank goodness. I mean, really, I don't want to go to a restaurant and watch somebody do that to you. But, but if we can stop the snacking and just kind of just get into understanding that, you know, when you stop, like, for example, we don't stop when we're full, we stop when we're satisfied, give ourselves 10 minutes and then you'll be full because your stomach stretch receptors will send the signal to your brain saying, oh, we're good now. But we don't do that. And that's how come we get Thanksgiving fall. We feel, oh, yeah, maybe I've had a little bit too much. And then 10 minutes later, you're laying on the couch asking for the Pepto-Bismol. It's how our bodies work. And to me, that's fascinating. And when we can understand that, then we can know why it is we're doing what we're doing. And it just makes sense. Yeah, it does. So is that on your website,

SPEAKER_01: 10:36

that hot milk plan on thesavingdinner.com?

SPEAKER_00: 10:39

Yes, and it's free. It's 100% free. I have a webinar that's there that explains the whole, it's prerecorded, explains the whole program. And I just, I love this program because it gives women an opportunity to see things a whole lot different than what the diet cultures taught them. So it's savingdinner.com forward slash hub, H-U-B. That's where you can find it.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 11:05

And it's free. Free, free, free.

SPEAKER_02: 11:07

I don't think I'm understanding that word. Hot something. Hot

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melt.

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M-E-L-T. I was hearing milk. I was hearing meal. Hot melt. Hot melt. Thank you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 11:21

Body wants to get rid of the fat, right? Hot melt. So the

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other thing, since I found you, I've signed up for your email. So I get emails. And just recently, there was an email about your master class. Oh, yeah. Tell us about that because that looked really interesting.

SPEAKER_00: 11:40

Well, the master class is from a few years ago. I did a whole thing. It's called Take Back Your Body.

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And

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in that, and I really kind of have a manifesto about that. A lot of things, because as you discover, you know, like this is how this works and this is how that works. It just it's very empowering, don't you think?

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Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 12:03

It's just very empowering. And the masterclass is all these little things on how they connect to you taking back your body, because if you think about it. The diet culture, I mean, it is$186 trillion business. It's just predatory. And what they do is because they know how our brains work, we just, just give me the plan. Just give me the plan, right? So you see a diet book out there. And what do we do? The minute we get this new diet book, we go like this. okay, I just want the plan. Where's the plan? We go right to the plan. We don't read it from the beginning. We just want the plan.

SPEAKER_03: 12:43

Right.

SPEAKER_00: 12:44

Because we want the quick fix. And the thing is, it's our mindset. It's how we relate to food. It's how we view food. It's what we think about. It's how we think for a minute. Like, for example, I mean, I can't even tell you how many women I've coached over the years who their whole thing, and this is what they'll say. I just want to lose that 20 pounds for this. My, The wedding or a school reunion.

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Right.

SPEAKER_00: 13:11

And that's our full. And so we're 100% dedicated. We go for it. And then two weeks later, can't sit that damn dress up again. It's just over. And we got to get rid of that mentality because that mentality is what holds us back. You know, there's a lot of plans out there, a lot of them that are really good. You know, mine's not the be all end all. I think mine's good because it tells you exactly how your body's going to react to everything and how you can manipulate your body a little bit by having certain things that you do. However, you know, if it's the mindset piece, if you aren't going to like one of the things that I suggest is a mindful mug. And a mindful mug is, you can take anything. I mean, we have mindful mugs on my website. But you can take anything and just put a little bone broth in there or a little bit of the soup that we have you make for the hot milk sprint. And just have a minute of being mindful like, I know that this soup is so good for me and that it's going to fill me up, it's going to make me feel good. And connecting with our food, having gratitude for it and just taking a minute. You know, because what we'll do, typically, most people, is we'll be watching TV, or we're on our computers, or we're on our phones, or whatever, and we lose the connection with the food. Stop. If we can get that mindset correct, and if we can also stop special occasion dieting, and just start, instead of looking at, you know, because sometimes people say, well, what's for maintenance? And my whole thing is, this is maintenance. You know, choosing this food is saying I love you to your body. Choosing this is going to make you feel good. And at this age where I am, and I'm 66, and I'll tell you, I want to feel good every single day. My recovery, like from pickleball and what have you, is not what it's going to be if I was 35. So every edge that I can get is going to come from the way that I feed my body, the way that I rest my body, the way that I hydrate it, and the way that I move it, period. And that's what we need to be looking at. That's how we need to be going forward. And I could drop some really scary stats, like a woman 65 plus who falls and breaks a hip, 50% of them will never walk unassisted again. Did you know that? I know. So how important is it? How important is our bone strength? It's everything. What are we doing about it? A lot of people are just, you know, rolling the dice and not doing a darn thing about it. We've got to do something about it. Pickleball helps a lot with that, by the way. It's really good for your bones. But weightlifting, that's building the armor around the bone. We've got to be doing that. So all of these things, plus the food and plus the hydration and plus the rest and having a mindset and calming your nervous system, all of it will help us to have that vibrant life. And also, if we ever fall, God forbid, we're not going to break a hip.

SPEAKER_02: 16:31

Right.

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Right.

SPEAKER_02: 16:33

I've heard it before, but for some reason, when you're saying it, it finally clicks for me, this idea of being friends with the food. I would never just... watch TV while I'm with a friend. I mean, I would be communicating with my friend and not watching TV or on my computer or on my phone or something. With friends, we give each other that attention. I don't give food attention. So this is really helpful to me to think, okay, if I think of that food as my friend, I'll treat it the way I would if a friend were sitting at the table with me or my kids or whatever. I like that.

SPEAKER_01: 17:11

Yeah. Yeah. It makes a difference. How did you get introduced to pickleball?

SPEAKER_00: 17:17

Hilariously. So we moved. We live in this little area called Conestee Falls in Brevard, North Carolina. And it's a very large subdivision. We have like four lakes here. And when we moved, we saw a sign for pickleball. And I was like, what in the heck is pickleball? This is in 2020, by the way, you know what was happening in 2020. And so drove fast. And what I saw was a bunch of older people playing what I called slow motion tennis. And I said, Oh, my husband says, well, what do you think? And I said, I don't think so. Let's just get back on the tennis courts. Let's go, just go play tennis. And so we did. And then, um, Somehow he got into pickleball and all I heard was pickleball, pickleball, pickleball. Shut up already with pickleball. But when during the pandemic and the lockdown, we got into ping pong and we played like killer matches. So like we were sweat balls and we're, you know, we, we even recorded some of them and they're hilarious. But we had some friends over and we play ping pong with them and they said, Oh, if you can play ping pong like this, you should play pickleball. And I was like, all right, enough already with pickleball. Let's go play. And the first game I was completely hooked, hooked. You know, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I know. I know. So it was at that point I became a mainliner, and I was just like, anything I could do. I mean, I played all the time. Anytime, open play, get a game together, taking lessons, doing clinics, whatever. And I've just been playing about two and a half years now, I guess. I don't know, two plus years. And I just love it. I'm playing tournaments and doing all this stuff. Do you have a duper score? Oh my, don't ask me about my duper. My duper has fallen from grace. I'm down to, yeah, I'm down to a 3097. That's a good duper score. Oh no, it's not. Well,

SPEAKER_02: 19:30

maybe from what you used to be maybe, but it's good for us.

UNKNOWN: 19:34

Okay, we'll go with that.

SPEAKER_02: 19:36

Congratulations. That's really cool. Why do you think you got hooked that first game? What the heck is it that is so impactful when we first try this? pickleball

SPEAKER_00: 19:50

well there's several things one of the things okay during the pandemic i was one of the people who ordered a peloton bike i mean because that's what you did right so i got a peloton and i swear i was like you know i kept and i do every i do a live show during the the you know during the pandemic, I did live shows every day, but during, you know, I, I, I would, um, tell every, tell my audience, I am an athlete. So I'm giving myself this affirmation. I am an athlete. I'm going to get on that Peloton. I'm going to do all this stuff. And I was doing it and I hated it. I liked the way I felt afterwards. And I kept saying, I just need to get over that hump, but getting my butt on that bike. And it was just, wasn't my thing.

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And

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finally, um, I kept saying, and I still have, you know, a little cross stitch thing that one of my, one of my clients did for me. And it says, I'm an athlete and it's me on the, Peloton. And I said, just, yeah, just put a pickleball paddle in my hand and there we go. But I kept with, it just, it was such a good workout and I felt so good afterwards, you know, and hot, sweaty. Cause I started in June. So I was just like, you know, just this sweat ball and how was pickleball? It was great. I mean, I probably hit everything out. I probably hit everything into the net because I was just learning, but I loved it. And it made me feel like an athlete again. It brought me back to my younger days where I felt like I could achieve athletic goals. And it just changed my mind about what it was that I could and could not do. So there's that component. And then the other is just the great exercise and the fun competitive spirit and the social aspect and all of these women, I mean, how many women do you have in your phone? Who's loud, you know, share pickleball, Shelly, pickleball,

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everybody's name PB.

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Oh, I know.

SPEAKER_00: 21:56

And it's so, it's just, it's just opened my whole world, you know, and I took 30 pounds off and kept it off just so easily. I mean,

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wow.

SPEAKER_00: 22:08

I got a little, it had a little pandemic pudge on me. Gone, you know, just gone. So that's fantastic. So what else can I tell you about Pickleball Exception?

SPEAKER_01: 22:21

I want to tell us a funny story about, well, not that funny, but when you, the one you wrote the article about, how a spectacular face plant taught me five lessons about life. Tell

SPEAKER_00: 22:34

us that. Well, it was... You know, at the time I didn't realize the lessons, but the post-mortem, if you will, of the whole situation, it did teach me these lessons because it was so funny because it was with Scott Tingley, if you know who he is, he's a pro down in Florida. And so he said to me, I said to him, I think I need to be working on footwork. He goes, oh, your footwork's fine. And so then we started, you know, I said, I'm trying to get these hard shots, you know, that come cross court and to your backhand when you're dinking or whatever. I'm trying to get that. And he said, okay, well, hit it over to me. And I just boom, right on my face. Oh, I should show you the picture.

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Literally.

SPEAKER_00: 23:25

blood, my nose. Everybody saw, everybody saw it. People who were doing lessons and there were other courts and of course, and it knocked the wind out of me, you know, and I'm laying on the ground and I was with my husband too. My husband was doing the class with me and I was just, I was just like, I had my face, you know, that moment between when something happens and you're deciding how to react. I'm down there and I'm seeing blood go onto the, onto the, um, pavement there, onto the court. And I'm thinking, Oh, this isn't good. And it hurt, but it didn't, but I was so in shock that I fell like that, that I didn't know what to do. And I hit my wrist funny and all of that. And I just, I got up and they said, are you okay? And I'm just blinking and trying to get my breath. And I said, Oh, you know, I'm fine. I'm okay. I just, I think I need to like clean this up. I look like I, holy hell. So, you know, I had people helping me and all of that. And then they said, okay, well, you know, I guess that's it. And I said, no, let's go finish the lesson. You know? Wow. Even with, you know, all that, I mean, it stopped bleeding and stuff. So we went and finished the lesson and then we were all going to go out to dinner afterwards and they said, well, you know, you probably don't want to go out to dinner. And I said, oh yeah, I do. So we went out to dinner and that's when the little girl followed me into the bathroom and she's just looking at me and I just decided I'm going to tell her my story. And I said, you know what happened to me? I was trying this fancy move and I fell on my face and I smashed up my lip and I got, you know, hurt my nose. I said, and I said, I almost cried, but I didn't. And then she looked at me and she said, that reminds me when I was in pre-K, I had a black, I had a black eye when I graduated from pre-K because of a baseball hitting me, but I went and did it anyway. And I just was like, cool. Perfect. And so the lessons, of course, you know, the resilience was resilience is a choice. You choose it. You know, maybe there's other people that are, it's a natural thing for them, but you For me at that time, I wasn't going to shrink away and I wasn't going to quit. I was going to get my lesson done. I was going to go out to dinner. And then when this little girl is asking me these questions, I'll tell you exactly what went down, you know, because she just couldn't help but stare, you know, when you're seven. And then when I, you know, when she said that and her little connection with me, it just made me think, boy, oh boy, ageism can go both ways, can't it? Because this little girl was being a sister. And say, hey, I can relate to that injury. I did that too. And so I just thought it was the coolest thing. And I don't know, maybe there's another lesson there that I remember. It's on the blog post. But it was such a lesson. It was go forward. Don't quit on yourself. Stay the course. Tell people what's going on. You don't have to hide behind an injury and just say, I bet I look terrible. But here I am anyway, you know, and it eventually healed up and, you know, on with the show. Next.

SPEAKER_01: 26:55

I think my favorite life lesson that I've got from Pickleball that you had in the article is I'm a badass. And I didn't know that before Pickleball, right? I didn't know it. And you said that too. It's like, yes, heck yes. I love that.

SPEAKER_00: 27:11

Yeah. And you know what? I'll tell you, it tests you.

SPEAKER_03: 27:16

Doesn't

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it? It tests you. It tests you what you are made of. Are you going to quit or are you going to grind? Right. I hit the, I did, I was in a, an MLP type of a tournament that, um, we do like once a month, um, down at the club where I play. And, um, we were, if you're familiar with MLP, it goes to 21 and rally scoring. Yeah. And, um, we kept getting tied up and it was, it was, uh, too mixed at this point and it's the last game we're the last ones on the court can't get this thing done and I don't know we were at we had 24 they had 23 and it kept going back and forth and back and forth and here comes this ball and it's coming way to me and I'm like running back going to get it and I was just like you know hail Mary it was the winning shot and everybody just and that was another place there that And as I was driving home, I was thinking, never give up. Grind to the end. I was beet red. It was hot. I was sweating. I'd had enough. But grind to the end. Don't quit on yourself. Such a lesson. Where else are you going to get that except pickleball, right? Right. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02: 28:35

Exactly. Oh, I love that. That makes me think of that event that you have coming up in November for women of a certain age. Tell us about that one.

SPEAKER_00: 28:48

Well, you know, as a woman of a certain age, I have noticed that it's just everything is different. Everything is different. And I was looking at some of my old pictures of my grandmother when she was 65 and she looked like an old lady. I'm 66. I don't look like an old lady. I look like a woman for sure, but I don't look like an old lady. I want my insides, my outsides and my life to match how I feel about life in general. So I have this proverb. This is kind of the setup for the whole reason that this retreat exists in the first place. And the proverb says that everyone is a house with four rooms. A physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual room. Most of us tend to live in one room at a time. But unless we go into every room every day, even if only to keep it aired, we are not complete. And so I think about this, you know, I think about my earlier life and the diet culture and how I was completely wrapped up in that and how much it robbed me of these other rooms and of, you know, because what you focus on, right, is what you're going to be about.

SPEAKER_02: 30:10

Right.

SPEAKER_00: 30:11

So when I thought about this, then I started thinking about how many women out there in my age group feel invisible. Like it's too late. I'm too old. Life's already passed me by, et cetera, et cetera. And all of that. And then I thought, that's not true though. It's not true. We are in full bloom like that rose, you know, in our glory. And if we're going to be in our glory, then we need to, we need to take a look at these rooms. What do we need to What do we need to do in those rooms? Do we need to find our voice again if we ever found it at all or do we need to rediscover it and start to use it? Do we need to you know, take a look at our belief system. Why do we believe what we believe? Do we have some outdated beliefs in there? Are we being held back by, you know, disempowering beliefs? Are those things something that need to go? We need to take a look at, you know, and understand that we are so much more than the number on the scale or the color of our lipstick or what size jeans we wear for heaven's sake. Thank you. Thank you. But it's true. Yep. How do we embrace that? How do we become those women? And so I'm doing this with Rhonda, um, Britain, who is an Emmy award winning. She used to have a show on television back in the nineties and she, her story is incredible. She wrote a book called fearless living. That's kind of a classic, um, And she and I have been friends for years. We're getting together. And I'm just like, we've been talking about doing this for years. And the synchronicity of how this all came together is just magical. And so we put this together. And I mean, I'm jumping out of my skin for it. It's time. You know, we need to hear this stuff. Yes. And when you say this, it's a retreat?

UNKNOWN: 32:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 32:14

It's a retreat. So Friday, there's a VIP pass. It's the meet and greet. And it's going to be here at my house. And I'm right on a little lake. And if the weather's nice, we might even do a sunset cruise. We'll see. But we are going to start there with wine and appetizers and all of that. And then Saturday morning, I'm going to make everybody smoothies because I'm a big believer in starting the day right. And then we'll have a lovely lunch. My daughter's going to cook it. My daughter is a recipe developer and food photographer. So you can imagine. Yeah. And then the whole day will be experiential too. It's going to be workshopping and tons of handouts, tons of things to do. And my goal is at the end of this, that these women are going to leave and say this, this changed my life.

SPEAKER_02: 33:08

Yeah. That's fantastic. And what date is this retreat starting?

SPEAKER_00: 33:13

It's Friday, November 15th for the meet and greet and then Saturday, November 16th. And we do have virtual tickets as well for people who can't come to Brevard, North Carolina. Great. So it's all there. It's at savingdinner.com forward slash retreat if you want to.

SPEAKER_02: 33:30

Perfect. Perfect. Wow. Oh my gosh. You are helping to change the whole narrative about being a woman, about being a woman of any age, about being a woman with activities and interests and being friends with our food. Yes. Yeah. I love that. I love it. Thank you. You too. Wow. We could talk forever, my friend, but we shouldn't because you've got a busy, busy day. Thank

SPEAKER_00: 34:03

you so much. I love talking with you.

SPEAKER_02: 34:06

This was really fun and we were really looking forward to this and you don't disappoint my dear. What

SPEAKER_00: 34:15

a delightful time joining with both of you so much.

SPEAKER_02: 34:18

Thank you. And thank you so much for everybody for joining us today. Have a great day. And we look forward to our new conversation next week.

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