Life Lessons From Pickleball

Speaker 1 0:00

Hi, I'm Shelly Maurer and I'm Cher Emrick. Welcome to Life.

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Lessons from Pickleball where we engage with pickleball players from around the world about life on and off the court.

Speaker 1 0:12

Thanks for joining us. Welcome everyone to Life. Lessons from Pickleball. Oh my gosh, we feel really lucky today to have Glenn Peterson as our guest. Glenn, you grew up right here in Seattle and played high school tennis. You had a worldwide career with Caterpillar for 25 years and retired at 48. You began playing pickleball at around 51, and you're a senior pickleball player with medals from multiple championships in singles and doubles.

Speaker 4 0:46

You managed Pickleball Central in 2016 and became a minor owner. By the way, I really enjoyed watching the Pickleball Central videos you produced. I found them really helpful, thank you.

Speaker 1 0:58

I really did too. They're awesome. And you developed the SwiftNet, my goodness, and a signature paddle with Selkirk, who's been your sponsor for many years. My gosh, glenn. What a wonderful life. Let's start with how you were first introduced to pickleball and what was going on in your life at the time.

Speaker 3 1:21

Well, thank you for asking. Yeah, I was retired, probably around, yeah, 50 years old and a couple of friends, and I would just go out and play singles. And then, eventually, my father, whom I introduced to singles, invited me to the North Shore Senior Center where a group of people played in a gym, and I played there for a few years and then I just kept going with it. So, my 85-year-old father introduced me to doubles pickleball.

Speaker 1 1:50

That is very cool. Did you have any preconceived notions about pickleball that you were, having been a tennis player?

Speaker 3 1:59

You know, I looked at it as just a fun game, a way to hang out with friends, a way to get more fit and to be active. I never really considered it a sport. It's always been a hobby for me and it's just grown and grown to take more and more of my bandwidth, but it's always just been something that I try to do for fun, you know, with my friends that I try to do for fun, you know, with my friends.

Speaker 4 2:27

So how did you go from the Bothell North Shore Senior Center to becoming a pickleball senior pro?

Speaker 3 2:31

Well, they sort of invited me to leave at one point and find competition.

Speaker 3 2:36

So I traveled all over the Seattle area and continued to find, you know, better and better players. I always tell new players, you have to play with people who are better than you in order to improve. And so I sort of took that deep dive into pickleball, where I was focused entirely on improving my game and some of the best players Brian Ashworth and others invited me into their small group of players. For years and years we would compete and I was really focused on improving. It was really fun to try to get better and to do well in one community and then go to another community.

Speaker 3 3:16

But you know, when I finally came up for air and thought about the sport differently, I realized, you know, I've got a lot of friends in pickleball. It's not just about trying to get better and I, you know, and I feel better, I'm more fit because of pickleball. But the friendship thing was really stunning to me, realizing I had friends that transcended the sport, friends that will continue to be friends even if I don't play pickleball. And then I realized, you know, these friends aren't necessarily the friends that I would make in my normal, you know, through church and through the different things that I would normally do. They're a different set of friends with different views, and it was really, really enhanced my life to interact with all of these different people. I just got back from Japan two weeks ago with a group of about 15 or 20 of us just to pick a ball, and so it's really opened up my world in a really significant way.

Speaker 1 4:16

Tell us more about the Japan trip.

Speaker 3 4:21

So this was the first sort of international tournament in Tokyo, in the same grounds where the Olympics were played just this last summer, where Djokovic won the Olympics. They have a beautiful tennis facility there and there were, you know, I think about 600 players, a lot of them from Japan, a lot from Southeast Asia, but many from the US as well. So it was the first big international competition and I had no problem getting trounced by a bunch of locals, especially the young guys.

Speaker 1 4:57

Oh, so it wasn't, seniors only.

Speaker 3 5:00

Seniors were there, but because there were so few seniors, we got grouped in with the 5-0 23-year-olds and you know I want to play with people. My age now I'm with you A 5-0 63-year-old is different than a 5-0 23-year-old.

Speaker 4 5:19

I can tell you that For sure.

Speaker 1 5:23

But what a?

Speaker 4 5:23

fun experience huh.

Speaker 3 5:27

Yeah, yeah, you that for sure, but what a fun experience. Huh, yeah, yeah. And so I'm doing that. You know I would not be normally doing that, apart from pickleball and these group of friends that I have, uh, that I formed through pickleball, that really have enriched my life so why do you think, given that you have very different perspective on life and things like that you said, you probably wouldn't have crossed paths otherwise?

Speaker 1 5:46

Why are you able to have friendships because of pickleball?

Speaker 3 5:53

You know, pickleball is not something we do with two or four people, it's something we do with 20 or 40 people. And you know I've learned in this journey that you know the friendships matter more than the sport. And you know we learn to care about one another because we spend so much time with one another. And so, yeah, you sift through friendships the same way you would in a career or elsewhere, but I have just found that the people who play pickleball are often very gregarious, very caring, and they have different views in some cases than I do, so I've really, really enjoyed that.

Speaker 1 6:39

We've had the same experience. In fact, that was one of the reasons we started this podcast, because give a platform for people with all different walks of life, different perspectives. But our common love is this pickleball and we have, like you, made all kinds of friends from all over the world and with all different perspectives. But it's funny how you can get along with people who knew you could get along with people who have different perspectives if we have a common interest and goal.

Speaker 1 7:07

Yeah right right right well, shelly was asking before the show, but I I think you should ask again about the pro senior pro. Shelly would love to be a senior pro and I know she's going to be so yes, shall I ask your question?

Speaker 4 7:22

well, no, my question was just. I'm just how did you, what was your journey to developing yourself as a senior pro?

Speaker 3 7:31

Well, I started as a senior, so I was over 50 when I started and we would compete in tournaments locally. I started as a 4-5 player with a dear friend, ken Crocker, from Ashland, oregon, and we, um, so those are some of the funnest years was getting from four or five and then being at nationals and being receiving an email telling us that we were five old players. Um, but all the tournaments in those days back in, you know, 2012, 13, 14, they were not money tournaments, it was just for fun and we were competing with people at our level. And I remember showing up at the first pro tournament called the Tournament of Champions in Utah and talking with Enrique Ruiz and others about the fact that, for the first time, money was being brought into the sport and I thought this is not. This is not good. You know, a line call means something different when there's money on the line um, but I I played with Scott Moore in singles.

Speaker 3 8:38

That singles was my thing, um, back in those days. And, um, you know, because I always took it as a hobby, I never trained. I never, never, you know, dieted. I never did weights. I never did anything to really try to get you know better, other than just play with my friends. So you know, at my age I don't want to be training for anything, I just want to be having fun.

Speaker 3 9:03

But you asked the question how did you become a senior pro? What was that journey like? For me it was just organic playing a lot of pickleball and trying to improve and continuing to play with players who were better than me. Scott Lennon is a local player and he was one of the first 5-0 players that was willing to drill with me and he could beat me easily at first and then over a period of months. You know I could get better, but I really appreciated the fact that he was willing to spend time with me and then we partnered some.

Speaker 3 9:34

But the real key, shelly, is one of my life lessons, which is if you choose the right partner, you can win. I consider myself sort of an average senior pro, at least back when I was in my 50s. But Scott Moore called me one day and said Glenn, you and I battle it out in singles all the time. And he said I don't even know if I know how to play doubles, but would you partner with me as a doubles partner? And so we played a couple of national tournaments and won them. I don't even know if I know how to play doubles, but would you partner with me as a doubles partner? And so we played a couple of national tournaments and won them.

Speaker 3 10:09

And Scott was clearly the best pickleball player over 50 in the nation and he held that for a decade. And so, having the best partner, you know, whether in pickleball or in life, you could really do well if you pick. You know, if you pick the best partners and you're willing to adapt to their style, you know your partner's style of play. So I always talked about playing mixed doubles with Scott Moore, but I had, I remember, playing with Wes Gabrielson once and Morgan Evans, all these great Nick Williams, jay Rappel, all these wonderful partners that I had. And so the key for me was finding a really good partner and just really enjoying being on court together. I found that I enjoyed doubles way more than singles. You know you don't get to celebrate together. You also don't get to share your losses together.

Speaker 3 11:08

You know, it's a lot easier when there's two of you who lose rather than one of you. But that's true in life too, right? You know what? I found is having you know in marriage and in family and in friends. It's just so much better in life when you have great partners.

Speaker 2 11:28

Yes, and you have.

Speaker 3 11:31

Yeah, I have. I have walked on court in Hawaii last year where there was a tournament. Peter Peter introduced me as the nicest guy in pickleball and I thought you know that's what they say about players when they're not good anymore and but, but that's been my shtick and it's worked out pretty well, because partners like to partner with somebody who, um, who is amenable, who continues to smile and um, like I said, I played with one tournament with Wes Gabrielson and it was over in Yakima. It was probably the worst I ever played and I was getting every ball and I was messing up every point and he came out of that he said, glenn, this was just a fantastic experience and I thought you know, that's what I want to spend life with people like that who, even when you screw up in life, they're like no, no, I'm, I'm here, I'm with you, I'm enjoying this. King Crocker and I used to always say you know, let's just have fun on court together and and it was, it really really made the process enjoyable, even when you lose. Yeah.

Speaker 3 12:40

I don't think I even answered your question, Shelley, but I talked all around it.

Speaker 4 12:44

No, you did. No, you did Find that right partner, right, right.

The Evolution of Pickleball

Speaker 1 12:51

Choose. Well, that's really cool. Tell us about Pickleball Central. Tell us about Pickleball Central.

Speaker 3 13:00

Yeah, I used to keep buying paddles at Pickleball Central, convinced that if I had the paddle that the player who just beat me had, I would probably do better. And so I kept buying new paddles. And Dave Johnson and Anna Copley, who were the owners and founders, were down there and I would talk with them when I would go down to Kent and buy paddles. And David called me out of the blue one day and said Glenn, my wife and I and our two daughters are going to go to Europe and Asia for a year. Would you run our company for a year? So I did sort of.

Speaker 3 13:37

I ran Pickleball Central for one year, part-time, and as a result of that, got into the videos, got into developing paddles, developing the swift debt, and then became a minor owner of the company. And so I remember my wife saying you know, glenn, you retired at 48. Why are you going back to work? And I'd only go down there for 15 or 20 hours a week, so it wasn't very much. And she ended up coming down and working with me and you know she said in the end she said you know, this pickleball thing has worked out really well for us through our friendships. Financially it's really enhanced our life. But yeah, I, I. There was never an intent that I had to go back to work after retiring from caterpillar, but it was just a wonderful experience for me working for a company where every hour that you spent with them was directly correlated to the bottom line it's. It was fun being an entrepreneur and working for a small, family-run company and they're a great company, like Selkirk and PaddleTech. These are wonderful family-run companies.

Speaker 1 14:47

And the SwiftNet. You just kind of mentioned it, but good heavens, how did that come about? I love that net.

Speaker 3 14:55

I know we use it. Thank you for saying that I love that net. I know we use it. Thank you for saying that the Swift net was a concept that I had, an idea that I had about how to improve the portable net, make a net that was easier to set up. I'm an engineer from the University of Washington from many, many years ago and so I'm always thinking of things like that. And there's a company in Port Angeles, the Carbon Recycling Technology Center, that takes defective carbon fiber from the aerospace industry so primarily from Boeing and they make things. And Dave Walter and Guy and I worked together and they came up with some great innovations on my concept and we developed this thing together and it's just been a fantastic, fantastic little product that I get. I get more feedback now from my inventing the SwiftNet than I do as a pickleball player.

Speaker 3 15:55

I do as a pickleball player.

Speaker 1 15:57

So, for those who might not be aware, this is a net that can easily just put in your car, take it to any court and set it up quick and easy and it's the right height and it's the right width. Yeah, it's brilliant.

Speaker 3 16:12

And I don't get a penny from it. I'm glad about that. I, you know I do things for the. I, like I said, it's been a hobby for me. So whether it was the the that so I did. I developed the Omni paddle with Selkirk. A certain palette was thicker and one that had my name on it, and it's just been so fun to do that and not have to do it for financial reasons. But yeah, so. I brag about the fact that I don't make any money on it.

Speaker 4 16:38

Sorry, shelly, I was just gonna say so. Could I win if I had that paddle?

Speaker 3 16:43

yeah, no, that paddles, that paddles. I don't even use it anymore, shelly but, I still think about things all the time.

Speaker 3 16:50

It's just fun to think about innovations to the sport and it's it was fun to be sort of at the beginning of the growth. Um, I'm, I'm irrelevant to a large degree now, but it was fun to be relevant. Um, you know, I can compete with anybody in Washington state. You know, 10 years ago Now, that's not true at all. They just toy with me. I'm a fun practice round in a tournament and they don't have. The young guys have no problem. So the sport has gone right past me and it's kind of fun to be self-actualized. And so you know, I'm really really good with that. I tell young guys I said you know, if I was playing against my 63 year old father and I lost the point you just lost, I'd be ashamed of myself.

Speaker 2 17:37

That's one way to level the playing field, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah that's a great line.

Speaker 4 17:44

It's such an honor the young guys still want to play with you, because when we were talking with purple jesus yeah, you're the first guy he talked about that he loves to play with yeah, yeah he.

Speaker 3 17:52

I don't have a chance against max anymore, I just well, we were in Hawaii this last summer together and, yeah, all these young guys, even Riley Newman, we started him playing pickleball and I don't have a chance anymore and I'm good with it.

Speaker 1 18:11

Because you're such a nice guy and I love that. You made a comment once that it used to be a game and now it's a sport. It's a fascinating trajectory, yeah.

Speaker 3 18:23

Yeah, the money. Part of it changed everything, at least from a professional standpoint. The importance of having a Ben Johns name on a paddle. The paddle companies realize that's a big, big deal, that it moves. It moves the dial on paddle sales. And so professional paddlers, pickleball, you know players and the money in it has turned it into a legitimate sport. That, you know, is that, which is just wonderful. That is now a sport, though I still tell people, you know, don't come and watch, come and play yeah I.

Speaker 3 19:02

I remember a tennis player, a woman who's a really good tennis player, getting into pickleball and we pickleball players a little more scrappy, a little more organic than pickleball, than tennis players. Tennis players, there's a little elitism going on.

Speaker 3 19:17

normally it's two or four players, it's not 20 or 40, and so they play. They're exclusive, they're a little bit elitist. Um, and she, she came up to me and she said you know, glenn, I'm realizing that I have to be nice in pickleball I can't have this sort of attitude, that I'm better than you, and so I really encourage pros. You know, when you're in a public pickleball facility, be inclusive. Tell people hey, come and play with me, don't just watch me. And I always think of it as a sport that's inclusive and one where you come and participate. Even you know, no matter what your age or athletic ability, come and be on court with me together and let's enjoy playing together. So I see it as more participative than tennis is.

Speaker 1 20:09

And it's an easy entry. You start feeling successful pretty quickly on the court. You can get the ball over the net pretty quick yeah, the barrier to entry is is so much lower.

Speaker 3 20:20

But isn't that also you know? In life too? It's nice if you know, if they're not spectators but participants, bring people in and engage them and smile and enjoy the process together, because in the end it's really about people, it's not about the sport.

Speaker 1 20:37

Thank you, it's not about winning.

Speaker 3 20:38

It's not about losing. It's really about relating and enjoying one another.

Speaker 3 20:44

I did a video Five Ways to Improve your Game. Yes, that got a lot of got a lot of traction. And the fifth point I make is I said you know, we're, we're older and we're standing and we're active and we're with people. I said we should smile. I said, just smile on court. And so when I go to tournaments, people come up to me and they they say, glenn, smile. They actually give me my advice back to me and one smart aleck guy wrote a comment on that video. He said you mean, you couldn't think of a legitimate fifth point. And you had to say that the fifth point was just a smile. And I thought you know, my friend, this is what you need. The most important thing in pickleball is to enjoy. And I thought you know, my friend, this is what you need.

Speaker 3 21:30

Yeah exactly the most important thing in pickleball is to enjoy. You know at my age, if I have to win I'm in trouble, but enjoying the play is something I can do irregardless.

Speaker 1 21:45

Exactly.

Speaker 3 21:46

Yeah, yeah yeah, Exactly.

Speaker 1 21:48

Yeah, it's about. The people are much more important than that ball.

Speaker 3 21:52

So yeah, and it's. You know there's really an opportunity and pick a ball to learn about myself, to learn about yourself. I, I I remember spending 15 minutes with my son in law, hikari, who lives in Bothell here no-transcript and I've seen players who learn on court to lose that and realize you know, I'm valuable because I'm a person. I'm not valuable because I win in pickleball, and so I think you know the crisis, the conflict that we have in life. The same is true. You know, crisis shows us who we really are and conflict shows us who we really are sometimes.

Speaker 3 23:05

And one of the stupidest things that's said about players is you know they're a real jerk on court, but, off course, they're the nicest guy in the world. That's a little bit like saying you know he performs well under direct supervision. It's one of those statements that you know he's a great guy, but you know he's a really jerk when he's a jerk when there's conflict, and so sometimes we're on court, you know it's 11-10 and there's a line call and we realize we want to win and it's a great opportunity to look within and say you know what?

Speaker 3 23:41

Winning is not important here. Sometimes losing is winning, and so that's true on a pickleball court and it's true in life. People ask me all the time they said, glenn, what are a few things I can improve in my game? And so I give them tips and say, well, you might try this or that. But what I really want to tell them is you know, the thing you can really improve is your attitude. You know, just enjoy, enjoy, enjoy this. And a person who can be on court with me, whether an opponent or my partner, and can lose graciously, like Wes Gabrielson did with me in a tournament where we traveled six or eight hours, you know I can those are the kind of people I want to spend my life with, right? Yeah, the people who care about me, irrespective of they know I'm trying, but you know, if I, if I can perform this, they still care, they still love that. You know that's that's what we look for in life as well, right?

Speaker 1 24:41

indeed, yeah, life partners, if there's. Uh, if our life partners are holding us to account for everything we do to determine if we're worthy of being with them, that's no fun, and when they love us and support us and celebrate our wins and join us in our losses. That's golden, like you said.

Speaker 3 25:06

Yeah, I wrote an article called Mixed Troubles once that got a lot of views. It was a blog article and I talked about couples who are married partnering together in pickleball and that they could use pickleball as an opportunity to learn to get along, that the marriage is more important than the sport. So many, so many married couples don't partner together because they can't get along on a pickleball court, which I found just hilarious. My wife and I would. We were partners.

Speaker 3 25:43

I drug her into the sport and but even I had to learn something, she said. She said I was the greatest partner ever, but even there were an occasion or two where she said, glenn, please stop it, stop what. I didn't say anything. She said just the slightest drop of your head conveyed to me that you were disappointed in me and the body, so body language I learned. You know she's absolutely right. So I could learn things about myself on a pickleball court, about my character, um, and sometimes it's not all. You know, I'm not perfect and so it's not all pretty when you go. Do I just want the attention of winning or do I want the integrity of you know, caring about the people that I'm on court with, um, more than anything else, whether the, the opponents or my partners, um, so that that it sounds, that sounds very philosophical and turning this into something. Maybe that it's not, but for me that's been a real. That's been a real thing.

Speaker 3 26:44

And uh, the other. One of the other funny things is I remember playing with a friend that I've partnered with a lot and we walked on court against this pair and one guy looked super fit and the other guy wasn't dressed right, didn't look right, we didn't know who he was, wasn't very mobile, looked a little bit overweight, and my partner said you know, let's target him. And said you know, let's target him Within about two or three shots. I said you know, jay, I don't think we should target him anymore. So here's the. The fact is is that looks can be deceiving on a pickleball court.

Speaker 3 27:24

Oh yeah, and you think well, they're not, they're not, they don't look very fit, they're not dressed right, they're not, they're unconventional maybe in their strokes. And well, there's a reason that they're competing in the senior pro and paying hundreds of dollars as an entry fee. You take a hard ball and all of a sudden it's right back in your chest. And that's kind of true in life too, right.

Speaker 1 27:49

Isn't it where?

Speaker 3 27:50

like the. If you think you want to hang out with the, the, you know the beer and beach commercial people and say those are the people I want to be with, people that look good or witty or whatever, all those sometimes you find out in life those aren't necessarily the people that care the most or the people who are most empathetic or the people who are willing to drop whatever they're doing to help you out in whatever you know where you have some circumstance where you need some help. Um, but yeah, that looks can be deceiving and pickleball you when you the. The less they look like they belong on court, the better they probably are and people can bring all these unconventional styles to this.

Speaker 3 28:29

That's one of the things I love. You know, you see these people with unbelievable tennis strokes that can't survive a dink battle, for example some of them certainly can. But then then these very unconventional styles of play. Brian Ashworth was that way, you know. He always picked up a paddle like he was going to kill somebody, you know, like it was a sledgehammer or something, but he just developed a style that was so effective.

Speaker 1 28:55

You've come up with such great life lessons. Looks can be deceiving. Conflict reveals character.

Speaker 3 29:04

Yeah.

The Heart of Pickleball

Speaker 1 29:04

Challenge reveals character. It's all about the choice you make in your partnership selection in life on the court and uh I and participate with joy that was one you mentioned participate with joy, oh my gosh, such great lesson.

Speaker 3 29:23

You guys. You guys ask great questions and I love the title of your podcast right, because it implies that life is more important than pickleball. But pickleball can enhance and contribute to our life. That yes exactly right.

Speaker 1 29:38

That's exactly right. We learned so much about ourselves.

Speaker 1 29:42

Shelly and I met on the pickleball court oh, you did almost two years ago, right, yeah, and um became fast friends and we just started realizing, oh my, my gosh, we're learning so much about ourselves. And one of them is, you know, when I'm not doing well and I'm feeling guilty with my partner and wanting, and so what am I going to do with that feeling and how am I relate to that human being? And I want to support them and so be open and honest. And, um, man, you're right, I think I used to play tennis too, and being pickleball there's something different, I'm sorry, there's just a whole different community there is share.

Speaker 1 30:19

Yeah, there is yeah and a lot of tennis players are coming over to the light.

Speaker 3 30:22

So people that have never played tennis, that play pickleball, are kind of envious, though yeah, yeah, well, there's some of them have really adapted or are loving the community aspect of it and really engaging in the warmest way. There's so many, so many that are doing that.

Speaker 1 30:41

It's just, it's yeah it's really lovely it's wonderful it is and it's been so great that you've taken time out of your very busy life to talk with us today. Do you have any final thoughts for people who maybe, well, you were saying, come play. But for those people, who maybe are not. They've never done a paddle sport or racket sport and don't quite know what to do. What do you say?

Speaker 3 31:08

You know I interact with those people all the time and, um, I would you know, if they're in a setting where they feel like, well, I'm not sure I'm good enough yet ask, ask if they could just play a game and say, would you guys just ask, don't insist on it, just ask can? Can, can I play a game? And higher level players will almost always say, of course you can't. Um, if you ask in a way that gives them the opportunity to say no, you know, if they say no, you probably don't want to be on court with it anyway good, that's so true, but then find a friend yeah, but find a friend, you know.

Speaker 3 31:45

Find a friend who is willing to go drill and just go. My wife and I would spend hours and hours and hours instead of bike riding or going for a walk who is willing to go drill and just go. My wife and I would spend hours and hours and hours. Instead of bike riding or going for a walk, we would just go hit pickleballs back and forth together and we'd talk, and it was not competitive or serious. But if you can find a friend, you know, it's better than a ball machine, a real person that you could just sit there and hit balls back and forth. It's actually very therapeutic and you know just a lovely way to get a little exercise on a public court.

Speaker 1 32:16

Great suggestion. So, true, and it's just a blast.

Speaker 4 32:21

It's just all there is to it. It is, isn't it?

Speaker 1 32:23

Oh man, glenn, I can see why you're known as the nicest person on the court.

Speaker 2 32:29

Thank you.

Speaker 1 32:29

You kept saying you know, I don't know if this is what this is about. No, this is exactly what this show is about. Everything you shared, it's all about the heart. It's about what we learn about ourselves and each other and how to live in this world with all different kinds of folk. Yeah.

Speaker 2 32:46

Thank you.

Speaker 1 32:46

I really appreciate you taking this time and love this conversation. I know everybody else is enjoying it too, and we do want to say thank you to everybody who has been listening and watching. Thank you so much, and we look forward to a new conversation next week. Bye-bye.

Speaker 3 33:02

And being on the court together.

Speaker 1 33:04

And being on the court together. Yes, Bye-bye everyone together.

Speaker 2 33:14

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Speaker 1 33:24

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Speaker 2 33:38

Hope to see you on the court.