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Thank you for being a part of Growing the Game We All Love. Now let's jump into today's episode. Welcome everyone to Life Lessons from Pickleball. Oh, we are so excited today to be speaking with Scott Manthorn. Scott, your life revolves around connection. For those of you who are watching on this on YouTube, you're seeing his pickleball book slowly rising. And we are definitely going to talk about that. You've recently written three best-selling books. The Network Effect, The Military Effect, and now the Pickleball Effect. Let's see that book. The pickleball effect. Very pretty, actually.

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Scott, your journey is amazing. You grew up along the coast of Maine, raced off to Florida for college, and somehow ended up living this beautiful split life between both states. You coached your daughter through years of softball, built networks and communities around the world, launched ventures, and then when your daughter graduated, you stepped into your nomadic chapter of life.

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And that's just part of it. You earned a black belt in taekwondo, spent almost two years exploring Costa Rica, where I think you actually know nearly everybody there associated with pickleball. And you became a storyteller almost by accident. And now you're the author of three books.

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Scott, we're so happy to have you here. Let's start with what inspired your first book, The Network Effect.

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Well, I was actually in Costa Rica. I had just finished a short-term uh consulting role with a global tech company who prominently fired me while I'm in Costa Rica. And um I just was I was really mad for about two hours. Then I'm like, you know what? Maybe this is a sign to get down and get dirty and take five months or so and put this first book out. So that was the impedis. They were mentioned a little bit in the book, not by name, we can figure it out. And there you go with book number one.

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And so tell us a little bit about the this whole effect idea.

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You know, I wish I could take credit for that, but my publisher, Michael Bass, who owns a company called Atlas Elite Publishing, came up with the idea. And the Effect series was born. So the books were written before the website came out, which actually was launched this uh spring. And now there'll be a consistent number of books that will come into this universe, the effect. So the next one will be the wellness effect, and they just will continue to slot in, and then the communities will start to integrate with each other.

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I love that. And your military effect book, very touching for me. I have a number of people in the military in my family. I'm not associated with it and don't actually know that much about it. So I love that you've brought in in each of your books, you bring in people's stories, right?

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I do, and I'm also a civilian, no connection to the military, almost no connection whatsoever, and that's a story in itself for another podcast. But I'm now a civilian advocate and got to meet 50 amazing men and women who protected our country and still do.

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So what pushed you into your nomadic chapter of life?

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The cold winters of Maine.

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Need you say more?

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I've always traveled, um, but I just felt like maybe it was time to not connect to another place. I'd lived in the same place in Maine on that second trip home for 13 years. And um just felt like it was time to just kind of tool around and see what I could get connected into.

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And so now do you call any one place home, or is everywhere you go home for you?

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I have a legal address in Florida, but um no, home is where I am. Home is where the best company is in front of me.

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Where the heart is, eh? And where your pickleball pedal is, by the way. It is so what what was going on in your life when you were first introduced to pickleball?

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I was a 20-year hardcore tennis player. Used to giggle or snicker at the pickleball players because they were in my way getting to the tennis court. And um, long story short, um, had an unpleasant experience in tennis enough to cause me to take a break from the game.

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Oh.

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Um, my my mixed doubles partner at the time in tennis um also left and not long after called me up and said, Hey, you know, you want to go to this gym and try pickleball? I'm like, no. But I did. And um it ends up that one of the ladies in my book, uh, Leave Olivera, um was the one who was in the gym that day who taught us how to play the game and is now featured in in the book as one of the 50 authors.

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Oh, that is so cool. So tell us about the book, tell us about these authors and what what you asked them to share with you.

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So it's a real interesting collection of 50 typical personalities in pickleball. Um you know, I did not go heavy on the big names because a lot of times they're a little bit more famous to themselves than they are to everyone else. In fact, uh one of the authors in the book coined the phrase pickleball famous. Um, this also has 50 people. I mean, not never write a book with 50 again, but this also has 50 individuals, and it's from a 19-year-old Brooke Revolt on the next gen tour to 87-year-old Dr. Loeta Medina, uh Secrets of the Blue Zone on Netflix a few years ago.

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Oh worldwide. Awesome. Yeah, there it is. The pickleball effect. I really like that that uh design. Go ahead, Shell.

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Oh, I was just gonna say, what made you what was what made you first realize that pickleball deserved an effect book?

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When I was getting comfortable with the military effect getting into market and working on some of those things, I was just kind of looking for book number three. The pickleball effect was actually an idea I had last year, and I kind of laughed myself out of it. Um but as I continue to navigate through the the sport, I'm like, wow, can I infuse pickleball into the military world more than it is? And it's not that infused in the military world yet. So I thought it'd be a really cool bridge to bridge a sport to a community. And now I know, as everyone does or most do, that there are some facets of pickleball in the military, but not that many. So, you know, I started talking to some people about this silly game with a silly name, and off to the races we went with really no network in pickleball whatsoever.

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You'd been playing. How long have you been playing?

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Recreationally, about three years.

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Okay.

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I didn't really know any any owners of teams or players or per nobody. I didn't know anyone, really. And it just kind of started crawling through my different verticals and trying to figure out who is who and started getting introduced, and then it was very easy and very quick to get into the vertical.

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There's something about that community, I think, that just is so accessible person to person.

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Yeah. And when you meet people like um Sleeves, you know, who has a senior pickleball report and lives in a yurt in New Mexico, um, it's amazing how fast you can move from point A to point B in the in this game.

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It's very cool to get to see the different variety of personalities, the different kind of lifestyles, the different, and here's this one thread of this silly game with a silly name that has such an impact.

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Well, Leave, who introduced me to the game, uh, for years served on the International Um Gymnastics Foundation or the Federation. Like she was an Olympic judge whose husband is a world-renowned musician.

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Wow.

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But I met her in a gym with her pink this and her purple that, and I didn't know she was. Right? And then I come to find out she's BFF with Nadia Coming H, and you know, she's she's run around this globe. But when you see her story and you see her videos, the thing that's impacted her most in the heart is teaching Special Olympics children how to play pickleball. Oh, and that that means more to her than anything that she's done in her journey of life.

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Oh, that is so cool. So cool. Tell us a couple other stories from your book.

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Let's go to the other side of the equation. So Joe Ganniscoli played Vito on the Sopranos for five years.

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He was a guest on our show.

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And Joe is a unique sort, he's a good man.

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Yes, he is.

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He's a good character, right? So I had to kind of translate a lot of things to get to the story part of what I could put in a book. Um but you know, Vito lost almost 100 pounds playing pickleball, and it really gave him a new lease on life, and he loves this game. Loves um, who else unique? I mean, so many. Um, Darius Christian is a trombone player for the global touring band Mumford and Sons.

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Oh.

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And is also a 5-0 teaching pro. So he'll go around the world and go out onto court, whatever, play pickleball with people. They don't know who he is. And then at the end of the day, they'll be like, hey, want to come to my show? Like, we don't even know who you are. Because, you know, on the Courtney's Darius. Right? So, no idea whatsoever. Neat story is with a woman named Taylor Garcia. Taylor um was a tour player for a few years, um, went back into DC to start working in a career more in government, thought she had an interest in military. Uh, Taylor is now pursuing her dream of becoming an Air Force pilot in the military. And I was able to introduce her to one of my authors from my second book who left in 2022 as a lead pilot for the Thunderbirds performance team.

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So from the military effect book.

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Yep.

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Oh, brilliant.

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I kind of connected them together and forgot about it. And then one day I got a text with a photo of the two of them. Like, oh, I forgot about this. Oh, it's a connection across the two verticals.

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That's been your whole life, right? Connections, connecting people.

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It really has. And to be able to go to storytelling is interesting. And the next evolution will be something around AI, AI animation, a AI, I don't call them movies, but kind of I think you're gonna see a little bit more interactive stuff come out that'll come off of at least my last two books, and hopefully moving forward all the books.

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Say more about that. What do you mean?

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You know, the world is consumes information in a lot of different ways. And um, with AI moving at the speed it it is, you can now almost create live communities. You know, maybe turn them into animation. So you can do an animated pickleball effect, but maybe it's an animation of children who are on their phones and now are playing pickleball. Or I mean, there's a lot of things you could do with that, and so you can really spread the game, spread the joy of it, maybe gamify it to a certain extent, maybe raise money in the back end, turn it into a newsletter. There's a lot of things you can do, but so many people are consuming content and they want interaction with it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's a positive way to use AI.

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It is a positive way to use AI. Yeah. Why do you think pickleball creates such powerful communities so quickly?

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Because it gets back to the simple element of people talking to people and having fun. I mean, listen, I mean, I was competitive, I was a martial arts instructor, right? And I'm a decent tennis player, but the the the nature of pickleball has nothing to do with the score, nothing to do with the little quirky metal you win, or the shirt or whatever, and everything to do with laughter, giggling, funny terms, you know, dropping down barriers. You know, people want to be people, and this is a place they can go and be themselves. And you don't see people dropping their heads in their phone very much when they're playing pickleball.

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Isn't that the truth? Isn't that the truth? Sometimes between games, but even then, not usually, other than the phone is way far away.

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And even being a youth sports coach, I never saw the bridge that I see in pickleball. I sat with a 23-year-old for an hour talking about whatever, watching pickleball. You there's nowhere else that this is gonna happen, right? Um the commonality is in the game, it's not in a lot of the other pieces, right? But you'll sit next to them, they'll sit next to you, and you can have this cross of conversation and interaction.

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So cool. And on the court, too, you can play with a really young player or a really older player, and it can still be equally competitive. I just am amazed at the accessibility of it.

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Well, you know what, sure. Um, one of my authors from The Military Effect is 74 now. I think he's the most interesting man I've ever met. Um, two years ago, he was on a 12-person team that rode across the Atlantic. 3,000 miles, 43-day race, right? He still teaches CBs, he's like this amazing personality. But he said to me one day, he goes, I don't feel like I'm relevant anymore. Because the world often turns sideways as people get older and so forth. But in pickleball, if you can get on that court, you are relevant. Yes, right. I played with a 91-year-old. If they can talk and walk, then you are relevant. And so it has this generational crossing over. You want to stay relevant, move. And if you can move on to a pickleball court, do it because you're gonna have a lot of fun with a lot of people.

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Indeed. And you don't even have to walk. Uh, there's adaptive pickleball, Twilight Adams, one of our guests, pick uh in a wheelchair, and she's winning tournaments, and she plays with able-bodied and challenged bodies. And I mean, it's amazing the adaptability of any age, personality, religion, politics. Takes it away.

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Well, Marianne Orr's in our book. Marianne Orr was a accomplished singles tennis player in wheelchair.

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Oh my.

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Now she's a top singles player in pickleball.

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Pickleball.

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And she met her husband, or they reconnected because of pickleball. Um, her story's in the book, but she basically um reconnected with someone that she knew earlier in life. They reconnected back in the pickle court, reignited a friendship and a and a romance, and they got married.

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Oh my gosh. See?

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And pickleball certainly has a big, big reason for that ever happening.

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Oh, that is really sweet. So I love that your book is the kind that you don't have to read it from beginning to end. You can pick it up any day, read a new inspiring story, feel um moved to improve our own lives because of the stories that we read, and to be reminded that this game has, in fact, a world-changing effect, a life-changing effect.

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Every story is has its own unique twist to it.

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Yeah.

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There is um, there's a story in there with a couple who had a club in Boston. This older woman had lost her husband, was basically a full-time stewardess. It was the only thing she had left in her life, and she was starting to go downhill. And she had a support dog named Mr. Washington. And so she went into a pickleball club one day, kind of fell in love with the whole community thing, started playing pickleball, became the grandmother of the pickleball club. Mr. Washington was there with her for the first years before he passed away. And she'll tell you, and she was interviewed by one of our authors actually on a short clip that this game saved her and extended her life out, right? And Mr. Washington is a legendary story now within those circles.

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Oh my gosh. The legacy, the legacy that you're sharing.

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I said it wrong, Mr. Jefferson.

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Oh, Mr. Jefferson? Yeah, well, one of those presidents.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Oh my gosh.

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So this is a great one. So uh one of the most notable people on the on the pickleball scene right now is Megan Fudge and her husband Ryler, and they traveled the world, right? And we interviewed them in Frankie, which is their US-based RV where they travel the country. They live in an RV. And Megan's telling us a story about um them being in India or somewhere because they're always over there playing, and they're both kids play well. So her son's like, Can I go play open play? And she's like, Whatever, I'm over here doing a match, do your thing. He goes on to a court with all age people, plays open play. And she finishes her game and he's done, comes back, nowhere to be found. Where's my son? I'm in India. Where's my kid? Turns around and looks back at like the main area, not a bar, but kind of a common area to sit. And her son's basically up at a high chair sitting next to a seven-year-old man talking shop about pickable and life after they just finished playing together for like the last hour.

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Oh, I'm cute. Where else in the world, and what else in the world could you be doing and have that experience? I mean, come on. That is so neat. So neat. I know that um I believe that in business you say, yeah, there's your pickleball effect book. Come on, we keep saying show us, show us, show us. Absolutely, by Scott Manthorn. And in uh business, you have three key strategies, I understand, that flexibility, relationship depth, and time management. And it occurs to me those could actually be very uh impactful in pickleball. Can you speak to that if we agree?

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Sure. Um, I don't know how much depth I can go into in that comment, but yeah, I think any any tactics are important tactics in games.

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Yeah. Yeah. I think um when I was thinking about it, in on the court, we absolutely have to be flexible. We don't know where the ball is going to come. We think we do, and then it doesn't, and then we have to be able to. Move really fast and and then time management, also how you spend that minute, that second that the ball is coming. If you're not focused and all, you're gonna miss it. And the relationships are so important. And with the opponents as well as our partners, I just feel like everything about your life, the connection, the raising up other people's stories, the playfulness, especially in pickleball, it just feels like it all comes together and in what you're doing in this effect um genre. I really love it.

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Well, it's neat on the court how the personalities are fairly evident. You're moving around at a clip where it's hard to hold back the kind of person you are. Yeah. Right. Or these to say go play golf with someone, you can learn who they are real quick. You learn very quick in pickleball. Right. But the adaptability or the flexibility of what's their playing style, what's their playing speed, what are they trying to learn or work on? Like you can always be a servant in pickleball. Always. If you want to go mash something, play in a tournament. If you want to get mashed by someone, play in a tournament. But recreationally, come on, have some fun.

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I like that. I like that. In fact, one of our guests made the comment: don't be the person. What is it, Shelly?

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Don't don't be that person who Don't be the reason that someone doesn't come back to play pickleball.

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There you go. You don't ever want to be that reason. Somebody doesn't care. Yeah. Yeah.

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I like that quote. I heard another one that said pickleball gave the world the um permission to have fun again.

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Uh really so true, right?

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Because it really came out during COVID, and COVID was really the evolution of this game. And think about if COVID hadn't happened, and none of us are jumping up and down because of COVID and the pandemic, but right. Without it, we wouldn't be sitting here right now. This this industry would not have kick started without the pandemic.

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That's right. That's right.

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Right? And and if you think about it, it's giving a chance for the globe to heal.

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Yeah.

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Well, I'm getting too much. Right? Yeah. Is it is it divine plan? I don't know, but it's you know, it's a simple thing that will mean so much to someone else if you just share it with them.

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Absolutely true. So let's see that book again. The pickleball effect. So, in all of this adventure you've had around pickleball, maybe even with the other adventures, your other books, what are some of the life lessons that either that you have gleaned in life that you find yourself using when you're playing pickleball, or while you were on the court, something happened, you thought, oh my gosh, there is a life lesson for me.

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Well, I always teach this the people in business, but I think if you listen more than you speak, you're always gonna see and hear good things. Um also keywords can start amazing conversations. And the keyword could be something as simple as Ruckers University or Orange or it doesn't matter, right? Jimmy Buffett, right? I mean, the when you when you throw out keywords, you get responses quickly. And it's a very easy way to just get things moving.

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So give me an example above what I just said, yeah. About what you just said, keywords. What does that mean?

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Yeah, like I said, if you use a keyword like um uh Roger Federer.

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Okay, so you just say it. You just say Roger Federer.

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What do you do? Right? Why are you asking this question? Like, I mean, you know, now in pickleball, you know, people talk about paddles all day long, and there's 2,000 paddles. How do you keep up with that? There's so many ways that you can just move discussion as long as you want if you just keep asking that question or through or or use use a use a cutesy term from pickleball, right? Less um less thinking more dinking, or you know less pitching more kitchen.

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I mean, there's all kinds of things you can come up with less thinking, more dinking. I definitely need that one.

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Don't you wonder like what those gentlemen from Bainbridge were were doing when they came up with this thing? Because it's it's really a bunch of cutesy things that are gonna make you laugh, and they're kind of meant to be dirty in some ways. And you know, they come up with this this box up by the net that causes all these kind of things to happen. I mean, it's really a brilliant game when you think about the whole thing.

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It really is. In fact, Joel Bell is the son of one of the founders, and he's local. We're local, we're in the Seattle area, so Bainbridge is just right around the corner from us. And um, Joel was saying that the kitchen was designed after the game had kind of been developed by these parents for the kids who ended up not being able to play much because all the parents kept wanting to play. Um, but they used the kitchen because some of the taller players were just beating the hell out of all the other people on the other side. And so they said, no, you got to have this kitchen, you can't come that for it. So every little bit had this purpose that now we benefit from because it's such an awesome game.

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If you think about it, like someone's telling the guy, it's the only time I can get him in the kitchen. I mean, you could just go all day long with this stuff, right?

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Just go all day long, yep.

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And you know, when people are like you dinking. I mean, if you say this out in public to people that don't understand the game, like what would you just say?

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That's how you can find your peeps. Right. Like if they get what you said.

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The most bizarre thing is the scoring system. I'm like, who can't they came up with this just to mess with people?

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Just so we could just so we couldn't remember.

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You don't start you start. Well, you're not one, you two. You're zero. Huh?

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It took me like six weeks to fill out the scoring system.

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In fact, that was the hardest thing for me to learn. Of all the things in pickleball, I just had the hardest. And even now we'll say, Oh gosh, what's the score? Who who served this last time? I don't know. And we'll yeah, pretty amazing.

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Ernie, like who's Ernie? Like, you know, an ATP and you know, stacking. I thought they were talking about pickles. I'm like, but that's what that's where it came from. I'm sure the term came from pickles, right?

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I bet you're right. I bet you're right. Oh, that's so fun. So it's like we have had what's that? It's its own bizarre world, it's own bizarre world, and I love being in it. Don't you share?

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I am happy to be here, and I'm I'm happy to be a um conduit of these 50 people that all of us know whose stories are completely relatable to each other, and they're timeless too, right? This is this is timeless. Yeah, so it'll be a fun run, and I hope that your podcast far outlasts this book and its relevance, but it's it's something that will we'll be in conversation for several years.

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Absolutely, absolutely. And we have our own life lessons from pickleball book that was just published too. So I think they'd make a great combo. Yeah, they will a little like a stocking stuffer kind of book for yeah, same idea. Yeah, that's great.

SPEAKER_00: 27:46

Well, I'm gonna have to do a reverse interview and learn about that.

SPEAKER_02: 27:49

Yeah, there we go. Oh, well, Scott, so people can buy your book online, obviously.

SPEAKER_00: 27:56

Yes, and so it's on Amazon and you know, your normal channels, um, the effectsseries.com. The that's where all the player bios are. That's where there's gonna be lots more podcast interviews will be there. We're featuring six charities in pickleball for the next five months, trying to increase their awareness, including Max Military Adaptive Court Sport. Um, and uh and then they can also learn about the other books while they're on that website.

SPEAKER_02: 28:26

That's excellent. And I'm excited for your next one. Is it the health?

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What is what is the wellness effect will be number four?

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Wellness effect.

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That'll be out sometime this spring. And and I'm doing a series of books around crypto and energy and water and um real estate and kinds of different things.

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You're gonna be a busy guy, Scott.

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No, AI is um AI is gonna be busy. Yeah, it's funny. We can in the we can end it on this if you want, but um, I've been an um a poet for a number of years. And so back in my 20s, I started writing poetry, but it was mostly to a friend or a 50-year roast or whatever, and I started writing to my daughter, and so she won't see this before it comes to her, but um I wanted to write her a poem for Christmas, and I can do these things pretty fast, 15 or 20 minutes. But I'm like, I'm gonna go on to chat and see what they can do. And lo and behold, chat nailed it. I mean, as good as I could have written, did it with no corrections needed, and so that's going to my daughter for Christmas. I'll tell her that the day I did it, she'll she'll get a kick out of it. But you still have to bring the idea to chat in order for it to work, and it'll still be real, it'll still be still relevant, it'll still be raw.

SPEAKER_02: 29:52

That's so cool. Well, I'm excited that you have these other books in the offing, but I think the pickleball effect book is the most exciting, and we're so glad that you came on. Thank you so much, Scott. Thank you for being here. I know you're super busy even now, and you got all these podcasts and other things that you're doing for to promote the book. And we know that our audience is totally excited to have learned about it too. So thank you, Scott. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_00: 30:20

Thank you, guys. I think this will be rare because I'm gonna try and get my authors on podcasts instead of me. They're way more interesting.

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No, but you you need to be on the podcast too. And thank you all. Thank you for tuning in. And yeah, the pickleball effect on Amazon. Go for it and learn about all these other people who you already are like because you love the game, and so do they, and so do we. So thank you all, and we look forward to a new conversation next week. Bye-bye.

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